| Author | Message | ||
     Sue Starnes |
Hear, hear. Please can we stop now before it all degenerates any further. This thread started as a serious query that has been thoroughly discussed and answered. It is now in danger of becoming personal and losing credibility so maybe enough has been said on the subject. | ||
| Guest |
There appears to be a lot of heated, argumentative people in these forums. It’s such a shame because I always thought that the kind of people that took part in carriage driving were those of a positive sporting nature to their fellow competitors. This is what makes carriage driving unique to other disciplines such as show jumping. These threads, and others posted in this forum suggest otherwise. I never knew there was friction in this sport... gosh I’m so naive! But seriously though, enjoy the sport, and I suggest positive criticism is always better than being rude and catty to one another - there’s just no need really - is there! Just think what visitors to this website must think by reading all these ridiculous posts. Doesn’t really give the face of carriage driving a particularly good image. I for one feel embarrassed to be honest. I do appreciate that the purpose of forums are to ‘discuss and make comments etc’ but please, surely this can be done in dignified way. | ||
| Guest |
Thought carriage driving was a FRIENDLY sport!!! bryan Capstick | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
GROW UP | ||
| Guest |
Good idea Ms Emmerson - best keep your head down | ||
| Guest |
Whew. | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
Barry you obviously haven't took notice but the orange scheme is no more, it has changed to blue and yes I do have all the badges, I am registered disabled but I am not going to start proving my disability to every competitor / spectator. I am not sure why people are going on and on about this when the question of the original post has been answered several times. Thanks for clearing matters Mike and hopefully this will be the last post, I myself won't reply again on this particular thread as it is getting tiresome. | ||
| Guest |
Having seen the "disabled" competitor in question at a number of events I am unsure that insurance cover will be available iin this case as I do not believe the BHDTA recognised the disability. Do you not need to be an orange badge holder? Barry Smith | ||
| Mike Watts |
Dave, no, I'm saying that the competitor was covered by the BHDTA insurance as a disabled competitor. I imagine the child was uninsured (under age, no license). I thought this thread was pretty much dead; as you say, the rules are very clear that a child is not allowed to drive a motorised vehicle at an event. | ||
| Guest |
When this thread started it was all about a young girl driving the Quad bike at Thoresby. Are you now saying that this 10 or 11 year old was covered by insurance? I think this would be very unlikely. In any case the rules are that the rider should have a driving licence and insurance........Article 950 3.5.2 states Anyone riding or driving a motorised vehicle must hold an appropriate driving licence and insurance. Dave Clarke | ||
| Mike Watts |
The BHDTA site says: "The BHDTA Personal Liability Policy specifically offers cover to Competitors with Disabilities for driving all terrain vehicles at Affiliated Events. The reason is that they need their bikes to compete in our sport on a level playing field with able bodied Competitors." So it sounds as if you were covered by that insurance, Dawn? | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
Try asking the BHDTA as they kindly went to great lengths also to find a company that would insure and at the time they couldn't. One of the reasons they found was because of the size of the quad. | ||
| Ruaridh Ormiston |
No idea why you cannot get insurance. I have been able to insure quads and off road motorcycle for use at events with the NFU. It specifically says in the rules they must be insured including for all riders who use them. What would happen if you were sued in the event of an accident ? | ||
| Chris Atkins |
I have just joined and pick up this thread. I agree with Alan. The Chairman and his committee spent a whole year organising an event and he/she wants everyone to enjoy it. He/she doesn't make the rules the Association does, but he/she has to carry the can if things go wrong. No one should be putting them between a rock and a hard place because they want to bend the rules. | ||
| Alan Hodges |
I really don't understand why this thread is dragging on. If something is specifically excluded in the rules, that's it, end of story. Talking about hypothetical situations and placing blame on others does not make it OK. | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
Then it also takes to rule in the case of an accident that narrow minded adults who carelessly ride quads do so with little regards to others and horses and they need to learn how to ride quads with safety in mind. Both adults and children can be slow or quick to react, each is an individual. It also comes to mind that if there was an incident with a quad and a horse then the question comes in "Who was responsible for the accident" There are many irresponsible horse owners and it could be them who caused the accident. I see idiots on their horses everyday back at home and often wonder how long it will be before a horse is injured through their own stupidity. The Chairman was happy with the care and safety this girl on my quad undertook and she was not a safety issue to anyonw. In fact it was an adult driving his car on the carriage route from obstacle 4 to 3 who was a safety hazard. My pony shied as he got close and luckily I straightened my horse up. However the adult was slow to react and in fact didn't react but just carried on driving past. Dangerous and a safety hazard. | ||
| Steph Richards |
I think I neeed some clarification on this. In respect of which rules you adhere to and those you ignore? It appears that yes I agree to this rule but no I dont agree to this rule means that the sport is at risk, I am sure the child in question is a reasonable and responsible person however the reason children do not drive as a rule is the thinking tine and response in the event of sonmething untoward happening. if a quad bike is involved in an incdent irrespective of the age or competence of the driver then the responsibilty would be with the owner of the bike , or if the chairman who allowed it. The outcome would be a claim against the organisers and the result would be yet another increase in insurance permuims, the fact that a child is responsible and and level headed is really no defence in civil proceedings, and i am amazed that with " yes i know its against the rules but I will ignore that either on the part of the quad bike owner or the chairman" has been put forward at all. In summary if the bike had injured my pony or myself then the question is the person who owns the bike in position to pay any damages ?????????? | ||
| Guest |
Thank you Mike for that clarification of the Rules. It seems rather strange that these rules can be broken, especially by a child. I guess the Chairman knows what he is doing by allowing this to happen. D C | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
I would just like to clarify that it was my quad bike and the chairman was fully aware of the girl riding the bike. She demonstrated excellent and proper use of the quad bike. She praciticed driving it slowly and then quickly with an emergency stop should it be needed both at home and at the event. She executed this perfectly. She did not at any time race around on the bike and in fact she drove it extremely slowly keeping safety in mind at all times. She was not irresponsible as seems to be applied (Are the general public insured against being run over) I have seen adults with less responibilty driving quads with no respect to others often right up behind you. This girl was sensible and I know this becuase she followed us around the obstacles. With regards insurance I will also clarify that insurance is not required for this quad as agreed by the BHDTA as they themselves tried to unsuccessfully find an insurers that would insure it. They therefore allowed me for two years to use this bike and would have done again this year had I of been competing at the nationals this year. The disabled badge is for my personnal use as I am severly disabled with a rare lung disease only having 50% use of my lungs (equivalent of one lung)Did I spell that right. The badge was not taken off because of the short time that it was in use by this girl. Also the majority of people know this bike belongs to me. I can understand your concerns Dave but I can assure you all was above board at the event. Cheers Dawn | ||
| Mike Watts |
Children are specifically not allowed to ride motorbikes or ATVs at events. Also, vehicles are required to be insured. The year book and rule book both say: "14. The use of ATV's and motorbikes at events is at the discretion of individual organisers. However, they may not be used at any event without a permit which can be obtained from the BHDTA Office on application; all such applications should be accompanied by proof of current insurance for the vehicle. ATV's and motorbikes must only carry the number of people for which they are designed and must not be ridden by children. The guidance in the BHDTA Safety Policy Statement must be followed and it is strongly recommended that suitable properly secured hard hats must be worn." | ||
| Guest |
I was surprised to see a very young girl, maybe 10 or 11 years old riding,unaccompanied, a quad motor bike at the Thoresby Horse trials this last weekend. The bike had a disabled sticker on the front but the girl was getting on and off and running about without problem. What are the rules regarding the age of motor bike riders and are the public insured against being run over? Dave Clarke |