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     Patti Atkinson Member Username: Pattia Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2007 |
From Rule 926.2.1 on Page 53 "the Brake, nor speak or indicate the Course to the Competitor. " Minta - you are so right about practice and up-ing our game so we can compete. Although it was a loose surface at Lipica at least it was flat - the one at Conty certainly wasnt! It appeared when watching the three classes that the singles and pairs have to go substantially faster than the teams. I am also always surprised that the pairs get the same speed as the singles. | ||
| Julie Hoskyns Member Username: Julieh Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2007 |
In answer to your question about talking in the dressage see the following....932.2 The Driven Dressage Test must be driven from memory. | ||
| Daniel Snow Member Username: Snowd Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2011 |
If we are (and I was) talking about Dieter Baackman’s groom then what I saw was scurry-type leaning – definitely gamesmanship, admittedly on a very difficult surface, but decidedly not self-preservation. At one point the groom threw herself to the left, changed her mind and went to the right, realised she was wrong and threw herself back to the left again. Horizontally left to horizontally right to horizontally left ... pure scurry. The relevant section in the rules is called “outside assistance” and there is little doubt that the groom was “assisting”. We all know the punishment for outside assistance. I agree you have to be sensible about people shouting in the crowd but this seems like a different category to me. However, I wasn’t asking for this person to be punished. I was just wondering whether I could do it as well. I rather think I would get my driver eliminated unless the judges were advised of the “sensible” interpretation of the rule. Also, has anyone found in the rules where a groom is forbidden from talking during the dressage? I seriously don’t want the responsibility for getting that one wrong. It’s bad enough in the obs! | ||
| Minta WInn Member Username: Mintaw Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2008 |
I think we need to be sensible here, having been both groom and driver in cone competition and scurry , there is a huge difference, today we saw a cones course that needed to be driven fast in order to get the time, as already mentioned it was on a sand type surface, to a certain extent a groom with any self preservation is going to bend and adjust, it did not seem to be for advantage, the bar has been raised considerably over the years, its no longer a bunch of drivers at a competiton, its a world championship, with tatics and gamesmanship, to which we had better get used to and apply if we wish to compete at the same level, we shall proberly see more of these types of courses so we had better get out and practice, you drive within your capabilities and train to extend those capabilities. | ||
| Rita McGregor Member Username: Ritamc Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
I haved watched a lot of the cones today and from the onset wondered about the groom leaning. I always tell my groom to remain seated in the upright position. From the cones today on a sandy base watching the carriage whip snd the times needed - are the FEI wanting too much competition and drama from the cones and are we about to see a big accident before they change it? | ||
| Joe Hodgson Member Username: Joehodgson Post Number: 64 Registered: 07-2010 |
Just thinking here this sounds like BHDTA is inviting SCURRY in dressage and cones | ||
| Joe Hodgson Member Username: Joehodgson Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2010 |
Thank you Patti i have just found it. 926.2.1 In Competition A, Grooms must remain seated in their proper positions between entering and leaving the Arena, unless as otherwise defined within the Rules. In Competition C Grooms must remain seated in their proper positions between the Start and Finish line, unless otherwise defined within the Rules. Failure to comply will result in Elimination. See also Art 956.1.8. They are not permitted to handle the Reins, the Whip or the Brake, nor speak or indicate the Course to the Competitor. However the Groom may handle the Reins, Whip and Brake without penalty provided the Vehicle remains stationary. Exception: If the bell has been rung by the President of Jury and the Competitor has failed to hear the bell; the Groom may advise the Competitor that the bell has been rung. | ||
| Patti Atkinson Member Username: Pattia Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rule 926.2.1 on Page 53. "Remain seated" - the two wheeler groom was sitting but moved her bum from one side to the other to balance the vehicle. To be fair I dont blame her! The speeds required on those twisty courses are inviting an accident. | ||
| Joe Hodgson Member Username: Joehodgson Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2010 |
Does the FEI have diffrent rules? I have searched the Rulebook and can not find any where that says no groom must not talk while the driver is driving there dressage test. Can anyone else find it.... | ||
| Daniel Snow Member Username: Snowd Post Number: 2 Registered: 07-2011 |
I’ve just watched the winner of the world pony pairs cones competition in Lipica and couldn’t help noticing that the groom was leaning for all she was worth round the bends. Bit odd I thought so I looked it up and the rules say that the groom “must remain seated in proper place”. Does that mean you can lean in the dressage as well? (... so all groom seats will have to be central and forward facing) Also, I can't find where it says that grooms must not talk in the dressage. I'm sure it must be there somewhere? |