| Author | Message | ||
     Karen Blair-Imrie |
Sorry, left off the crucial word 'Championships' after 'Intermediate' in my last post. Duh. Have you qualified for the Championships? If not, then yes, you have to do so before progressing to Open. You were right. But isn't that a good thing? You will gain more experience at national level, and you won't have to face Open competition until you are ready. Under the old system, one had to qualify out of Novice into Open. Now you do the same, only we're calling it 'Intermediate' rather than 'Novice'. | ||
| Karen Blair-Imrie |
The rule book says about Progression to Open Singles: You may progress at any time after qualifying for the National Intermediate. Clearly, you have qualified, so you may progress to the Open whenever you like. See you there :-) | ||
| Martyn Willis |
The post below is just a personal view. Martyn | ||
| Martyn Willis |
In response to the last post by a guest. We have undertaken some analysis using the list from the Competitor Class Allocations for 2007 Pony intermediate competitors and the Championship Results and Points Leagues for 2004 to 2006 and are able to understand why the competitor allocation has been done the way it has. Please let me illustrate; If we take the rules for progression where by 2 or more wins or finishing in the top 50% at the Championships would become open. You are left with 9 from the intermediate pony list of 28. We can understand why the structure has been done the way it has as this in theory makes a "Competitive" class. Dont forget "You may progress at any time after qualifying for the National Intermediate (Level 3) Championships or finishing in the top 3 in the Intermediate Class on 3 occasions with a minimum of 4 in the class, either in the current or the two previous seasons." if you really want to be in open that much. I believe the current structure has brought in too many new classes and there are not enough competitors to make them viable considering the 9 that were eligible from above have not been seen so far this year. I think if they had just introduced the "Advanced" class without the "Intermediate" and retained the "Novice" classes as were would have been a better structure. | ||
| Guest |
Last year was my first season competing at National events, I had a fantastic time, I loved it, the people are great, yep they are very helpful, the Championships at Windsor were great, other than the axel incident. This year however I feel I have been slightly cheated, I am basically repeating last season under the heading of Intermidiate, please dont say no your not, because I am! why werent we given the opportunity to go into the Open Class if we wanted? the events are expensive, so to have to repeat a whole season leaves a bitter taste and a very light purse!! | ||
| Naomi Harbach |
I have been reading this thread with interest and it feels like a lot of people are unsatisfied with the structure and the way the novices are treated. This is my first season competing my novice pony outdoors and i am really enjoying myself! I did the indoor season which was superb too! The novice classes are well supported more so than some of the open pony classes. I have found everyone to be very helpful and encouraging. I think it is a good idea to have a more gradual way of moving up the classes, rather than going straight to open from novice as this could be quite a shock! I hope it might encourage people to have a go at competing nationally knowing they will not have to be up against the professionals, but they can compete fairly against people and horses at the same level. I think it is a good idea to have the novice ponies / horses on first at competitions as the ground is at its best which is kinder to young and or novice horses who may not be used to competing on slippery and uneven surfaces. I agree that it is great to have club events running alongside nationals, not only will it hopefully boost entries but it gives novice and club drivers the chance to drive round a national course, especially if you have qualified for the championships it will give you a good insight as to what to expect. I also back step for a open pony driver at national level so that has also given me a great insight to how nationals are run. I really hope that people are not put off by the new structure or feel that they are being treated unfairly, as at the end of the day we do this sport because we enjoy it and get a buzz from doing it. All the people you meet along the way are fantastic and so friendly, and that's why so many people enjoy carriage driving. | ||
| Martyn Willis |
Mike, I agree with your interputation and comments. It would be really useful if the chairman of the Rules committee were to put an "Official" interputation on the senario/incident here and how compliance should be dealt with in the future. As what has happened has happened and it can not be changed. Martyn | ||
| Mike Watts |
Chris, Thanks and I think you're right. I'll see if I can get the next pdf set so you can copy and paste - maybe we've been overprotective, but we're getting there. You should be able to copy and paste from the FEI's version, for instance: http://www.horsesport.org/PDFS/A/04_01/Rules%202005.pdf | ||
| Chris Laing |
Unlike you, I don't have the luxury of being able to copy and paste the rules from the rule book as I only have the PDF version. BTW Thanks very much for managing to persuade the powers that be and get the rules published on the website; it is very handy keeping a tatty copy of the rules in the car at a competition that can get wet and muddy, which I can throw away at any time and print off a new one. The point I was trying to make is that the way the rules have been written, it appears that the check can happen before Comp A at the competitors discretion (915.1.3) and after Comps B&C at the PoJs discretion (915.1.4). The way it is word makes it read (either intentionally or unintentionally) as though a competitor is only eliminated for being incorrect in Comps B&C. Bit daft I know for having a rule that is vague and open to interpretation. As you say, lets hope that the FEI make the rule book clearer with the re-write -- My fear is that, as with most things that are generated just across the water from Dover, they will become more complicated. A straight banana anyone ;-) | ||
| Mike Watts |
Chris, That's an interesting point [to a geek like me] but I'm not sure it's that clear. To me it comes down to the fact that you're clearly supposed to do dressage at 138cm minimum or get eliminated - here a decision was made otherwise. I can only suppose this was an attempt to be "kind" - I don't think there is a loophole. As for exactly when the measurement would take place, surely officials could check at any reasonable time. Having a rule that a competitor must conform to something implies that officials can check it. Perhaps we ought to have a standard scheme for when the check is, but we're not yet so regulations bound that the precise time of the check can allow a competitor to argue technicalities. "I was wrong but you weren't allowed to check"?? The rule you cite is 915. The words you've put in the post are your interpretation. It actually says: "915.1.3 Competitors may have all their vehicles officially measured and weighed before competition A." I think this means competitors can choose to get their vehicles measured then, as an extra check or maybe so they can fix them if problematic. I don't think it says 'this is when and the only time when stewards must do the monitoring'. I think perhaps you have put an interpretation on it which I wouldn't agree with. Common practice is to measure the vehicles after the phase. This is supported by another rule: "908.2.1 Stewards must (may) be appointed under the General Regulations, Article 144 and are responsible for: 2.1.1. Checking the vehicles of each Competitor after Competition A and C ....." which suggests the check is envisaged to be after the dressage test. It could be clearer and I believe the FEI is busy rewriting the whole book to make it clearer. I hope that will help us concentrate on the essentials of the sport without having to argue on the technicalities too much. More on widths: we were eliminated after cones at Brighton; we had a buckled rear wheel and the stewards measured the narrowest part. The rule says: "915.1.1 The track width is measured at ground level on the widest part of the rear wheels." Never mind, we loused up the cones anyway, but worth knowing if it happens to you. Maybe competitors should ask for their vehicles to be measured before A as they're entitled to - and perhaps see if the stewards would like to check them before the cones. That would save some problems - I'd think you could then fix it if you'd forgotten to extend the axles, though bending a wheel straight might not be so easy. Lastly; occasionally officals don't like a rule and decide to waive it. You hear people talking about making a decision in the spirit of the sport and claiming the rulebook allows discretion to change anything. I don't think it does. The 'spirit of the sport' bit says: "These Rules cannot provide for every eventuality. In any unforeseen or exceptional circumstances it is the duty of the Ground Jury to reach a decision in the spirit of the sport, approaching as closely as possible the intention of the Rules and the FEI General Regulations." - i.e. if the rules don't cater for it, do your best, otherwise stick to the rules. If we bend the rules for one person, we usually disadvantage all the others and we tend to end up with a mess, despite the best of intentions. Stick to the rules or if you must, publish waivers in advance! These are my personal views only. | ||
| Chris Laing |
WRT the axles incident at the National Championships last year: I think that it might be worth clarifying what the rules ACTUALLY are, as opposed to what people THINK they are. This may explain why the BHDTA did not eliminate. Please could everybody now open their hymnbooks to page 33 and the hymn this morning is Article915 ============================================= For competition A, the carriage should be measured BEFORE the competition. For competitions B & C, the carriage should be measured AFTER the competition and if found to be outside of the rules, the competitor shall be eliminated. ============================================= By implication, does this mean that a) competitors have a chance to correct their carriage before competition A, if it is found to be too narrow? Does this also mean that a competitor will not be eliminated if found to be incorrect. My suspicion is that incident at Windsor unearthed a loophole in the rules, and as such the competitor could not be penalised for a problem with the rules. As these are FEI, and not BHDTA, rules it will be for the rules committee to raise this with the FEI for the holes to be plugged. | ||
| Helen Hunter |
Hear Hear Janet. Well said. This tread was starting top become slightly protracted. Hopefully, we can move on from here. The Rules and class structure for this season are here and people at all levels were involved in their formation. I think we should accept them for what they are this year, try to work / compete within them and see what comes out at the other end. Club classes at Nationals should be re introduced though, particularly "up north" as it were, my first club class at Hopetoun in 2005 was a fabulous stepping stone for what was to come for my horse and I in 2006. | ||
| Janet Pilling |
Well unfortunately Ashfields is not local for me, I wish it was, it sounds like a great venue :-) . Within the SCDA we have some fantastic club events which are all well supported however I love the different atmosphere of Nationals and the different crowd. We are 'a bit out of the way' for some of the English events like Brighton and Farleigh but this year we are going to try and get to a few of the more northern ones. I agree the cost of competing is very restrictive at times but compared to other equestrian sports it is really excellent value for money and we always have such fantastic venues with a very good social side as well. Most other disciplines scrub up, turn up, turn out and go home without very much interaction with their fellow competitors - we have a full weekend of biz and involvement with no hanging around in muddy collecting rings or competing late in to the night. Having been involved in various other disciplines such as show jumping, eventing and endurance, I can honestly say that I have never enjoyed my horses as much as in driving - at any level. I think it is important to encourage novices up into National Competition - I was, and I used to try and encourage other people to 'have a go at a big one', either in a Club Class at Nationals or as a Novice. Now they have to qualify and while that may not be a bad thing regarding ability, it does put a bit of a hold on entering a National through choice. Over the years there have been many people who have stayed in Novice level at Nationals for several seasons, where is the harm in that? It is income for events which seems to be a major problem now. Also in Novice Nationals we used to be able to meet up with others of the same standard and get an idea of how good (or bad!) we were before making the long trip south in September. With the new system competitors can qualify from a class of two and never know what they are up against until they get to Windsor. I think some would find this a very daunting experience and could put them off coming back to Nationals as Intermediates (with the additional costs involved). Events are a much nicer experience when you can recognise your fellow competitors and get to know them. Club events run alongside Nationals are a great idea - they boost funds and give people who are not intending competing at Nationals (yet) a chance to compete round National courses and assess their own ability. And even with the restriction of a shorter marathon, a couple less obstacles or whatever, they do offer a stepping stone to a lot of people. I appreciate the problems with previous National competitors opting for a Club Class entry in preference however they needn't be a cheap option - Club Class entry fees should reflect the standard of the event. | ||
| Julia Crockford |
Having spent several days last Autumn travelling round to various BHDTA meetings, with other club chairman, to discuss the proposals for this season: the new driving format of classes etc.. is it very sad to see that here we are just three or four competitions into the season and already what we warned would happen is happening across the board - people are not entering the Nationals. The cost, along with the start fees is the first thing that puts everyone off, at every meeting I went to I was told "but you won't be paying the BHDTA levy" so it won't be noticeable - wrong the fees for the entry to events have not gone down as was suggested, but the start fee just added on! Then there is the class structures, at Brighton there were just 3 competitors in the Open Pony class, the same again in the Open horse. The National at Brighton would never have taken place had it not been for the twenty or so club entries boosting their income and it would appear that the same again will have to happen at Farliegh if it is to go ahead, yet the BHDTA are adamant that they do not want club events running parallel to National competitions - obviously because of the difference in entry fee and the problems over club members doing the same event be it with an obstacle & five cones less!. At Farleigh last year there were 14 Novice Qualifiers, pony & Horse, they have lost these and will be lucky (looking a the Brighton entries) to recoup 6 or 7 in the intermediate classes, as was suggested at the meeting people will not consider paying £140 - £170 to do a repeat of last year with a 'slightly' different dressage test and the entries prove this. It is not the BHDTA who underwrite many of these events - what about all the expenses out of the pockets of the organisers that cannot be recouped if the event is cancelled - none of us can afford to take serious losses on events and so next year the event just might not appear on the calendar, an event venue lost, as we all know, means it is very unlikely ever to return. With regard to getting entries in early, I try wherever possible to send my entries in early with a post dated cheque to the close of entry date, however on more than one occasion I have had my cheques presented well before they were due...We are now talking a serious amount of money for pairs and teams to enter events and on top of that they have this start fee to consider, with the ever worrying problems with horses fitness, ground etc.. I don't think it's any wonder that people are leaving it late to enter - money is tight and hard as it is to accept carriage driving is a hobby for the majority of us and most are realising that Club events like Ashfield are more local, cost half the price and are twice the fun. | ||
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| Mike Watts |
At the start of this thread was a question about whether the Novice Qualifier results and NQ points league were being dropped from the BHDTA web site. Hope it's clear now; some of the NQ results are already there, the others will appear as soon as the website editor can get them, and the NQ points league will follow. So the answer seems to be business as usual, sorry for the delay. | ||
| Guest |
Reading all the comments, I can tell that there is a lot of ill feeling to the way Novice's have been treated,I have just looked at the entrants for Windsor this coming Saturday and yes no surprise there is only two competing in the novice qualifier class!! I also note from the Web site that Farleigh is under threat with only thirty entries so far! I think it speaks volumes.The BHDTA will at some point have to accept that they have got the structure and costing wrong, numbers are dropping fast and the future looks far from bright for our Sport. I think Mary's comment is fine that you should come along and enjoy the event,but be realistic if you want to enjoy the event and just have fun you can go to Ashfield's or other clubs and have fun allot cheaper! In regard to Axles they made a grave mistake and as one person put it they have set a standard and that they certainly have!!! there is no way they can enforce that rule now unless its changed in some way, people will always quote the final of 2006.I think we all appreciate the time and efforts put in by Stewards but we cant use them as an excuse the mistake was made by the Driver not the Steward he should have been penalised!(Bad Luck thats sport) and as a sportsman he should have taken his punishment !! I find it a shame when a sport such as ours where there are so many nice people envolved is run so poorly and the one who suffers is the one paying the money, We have a Chairman that is not in touch with the sport who at the National Final swore across the dressage arena warm up area ........I would suspect any other member would have been severely dealt with. In summing up I think its time for a change at the top put someone there that can make change for the best and lead from the front. | ||
| Helen Hunter |
I'm an intermediate driver this year, having qualified for and attended the championships last year. I wish everyone in all Novice and Intermediate qualifiers the very best of luck this year. I do however agree on one or two of the points being made - Novices and Intermediates are to a certain extent "pushed aside". Hopetoun was to be trialled as a 2 day event this year for Intermediates, thankfully we are returning to the original format of 3 days - and I thank the committe for this decision as I did not fancy having to do dressage and marathon on the same day. I need all my time to learn obstacles without having to worry about anything else. On the subject of help at competitions - I have only ever been made to feel extremely welcome at ALL events I have competed at, including obstacle walking advice freely given from a world champion, offers of equipment, and stabling to name but a few. Ground conditions are always a nightmare for organisers - look at Badminton this year - are we going down the same routes?? Please, your horse or ponies welfare is your concern only, if conditions dictate, then withdraw with good grace. A placing as far as I'm concerned is an added bonus at HDT's, the enjoyement I get from being in good company for the weekend, the trust of my horse, and the moths in my wallet are enough for me!! | ||
| Chris Atkins |
In reply to the guest who commented on axles in Scotland - don't go there. As a steward who stands in all weathers to measure widths for the "fun" of it let me tell you that over the years national competitors of all levels have forgotten to put their axles out. With this year's amendment that we are having to measure ALL competitors after dressage as well as cones this won't happen again will it! Oh and by the way on one memorable occasion my rule book was the only one on the field. | ||
| Janet Pilling |
Posted on Tuesday, 15 May, 2007 - 7:38 pm: "With regards to the discussion, The BHDTA never discuss, they tell you." They DO discuss actually - they discuss at council meetings where the people we elect on to the council discuss on our behalf. "I guess I sound bitter but after they forced me to compete in teh owrst conditions with a novice pony I realised they obviously did not consider my ponies welfare." Nobody 'forces' you to compete and surely your pony's welfare is YOUR consideration? The year I went to Alnwick the weather conditions got so bad I withdrew and came home - disappointed but also vexed for the organisers. Alnwick was always considered to be a fantastic event and it will be sorely missed from the driving calander. I am another who thinks it is a bad move having the Novices qualifying in special classes at club events - the Novice Championships are a whole different ball game and I feel it is better to get real experience at Nationals in a Novice class. I think it would have been better to have National Novice, Intermediate and Open levels like in showjumping with competitors moving up after two wins. I don't think the new structure will encourage people to step up to National level however it will take a couple of seasons to tell and I hope I am proved wrong. | ||
| Mary Kusin |
Thank you Martin for acknowledging the fact that web-sites are generally manned by unpaid volunteers. Many people do not seem to realise that the BHDTA site also falls into this category. In addition, it is only possible for the webmaster to put updates on if he has the information. The web-site is currently being maintained from a lap top in a hotel room in India! How's that for commitment? Even when the webmaster is at home, the web-site updates are in addition to a demanding full time job, maintenance of a number of other web-sites and duties on the back step. Having read the posts regarding novices I am becoming increasingly confused. First of all there is the complaint that no help has been offered to novices. This is followed by the information that novice competitors should be fully conversive with every rule in the book if they have qualified for the Novice Championships. The organisers, who took a perfectly reasonable decision in the spirit of the sport, are being condemned for encouraging novices. It would appear, to me at least, that there is a vast difference of opinion among the novices about how they wish to be treated. Some want them treated as Open competitors and others advocate the approach that they need help and encouragement. Sadly, it can't work both ways. Why not try putting the "fun" back into the sport and compete because you enjoy it and not purely for a placing? I have always felt that one of the most attractive aspects of competitive carriage driving was the sheer enjoyment of the whole competition, which includes the social side, and the total lack of monetary gain meant everyone did it because they enjoyed it for the experience. Winning, especially at Novice level, now seems to be paramount. I have nothing but sympathy and complete admiration for the organisers at Alnwick who managed to put on an event despite extremely adverse weather conditions in consecutive years. The dressage arena did deteriorate during the day but it was the same for everyone in the class so no-one was at a disadvantage. The organisers were up to their eyeballs trying to make sure the marathon went ahead. Don't forget! They are all volunteers, and without them there is no sport! This applies to club events too. | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
The rules seem to apply when it suits them and I have to agree rules are rules and there is a rule book. If you don't read it then you are penalised. I would have been furious if I had of been competing (ill health forced me to withdraw), why should competitors spend hundreds to compete to be cheated out of a place just because someone in a tie decides to bend the rules. Personnally what is the point in having rules if the officials themselves are not going to head to them. With regards to the discussion, The BHDTA never discuss, they tell you. Such as at the AGM I hear discussions were on the same lines. The decisions had already made and you were told how things were. Am I so glad I never wasted my time in attending. I guess I sound bitter but after they forced me to compete in teh owrst conditions with a novice pony I realised they obviously did not consider my ponies welfare. I am also in a dispute iwth them at the moment but as its still on going I can't comment on that. | ||
| Guest |
The guy who won the Novice class at the Championships forgot to put his axels out, he came out of the dressage arena and his carriage, same as everyones elses was measured, when he was questioned he said he didnt know you had to, yeah right! he competed all season a didnt know, i dont think so! apparently they dont put their axels out in Scotland!!! the BHDTA called all the novices in for "a meeting" to discuss the situation, it wasnt a meeting, we were told that he wasnt being disqualified, the guy from the BHDTA said as he's a novice he may not know the rule, what a load of rubbish!! if you manage to get to the Championships you should know the rules, if you dont then tough, we all have a rule book dont we. Maybe he shouldnt have been disqualified, but they could have given him penalties. Do we not need to pull out our axels now? i think the BHDTA have set a presidence with this, wonder what you all think ......... | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
Gosh I never knew about the person winning the Novice Championships should have been eliminated after the dressage... what happened? Yep I too have seen some fantastic times from the novices in the marathon beating the open classes for times. The fact is, the novices and now intermediates pay a hefty sum to enter events thus should be given the same respect. Three examples: Take Alnwick a couple of years ago. I was in the novice class and we had to do our dressage test in an arena near the river bank, The warm up area was a bog and the arena was so bad the stewart told me "Drive your pony as hard as you can as you enter the arena" yes the bog in the arena was also bad. what was more ironic was the judges comments "Lack of impulsion" get real woman.... impulison in a boggy field..yeah right... lol The mind boggles.... Brighton.... a team driver (won't mention his name) complained about not finishing till late after cones so what did they do.... yep they moved the novices to go last in the day and we were shoved into the back plain arena out of the way. At another event it was decided the open pony class would go first to determine whether the course needed to be shortened due to the bad weather and ground conditions. Err!! Right, so you send out more experienced ponies and drivers in the morning when the ground is at its best, decide not to amend the course then the Novices are sent off last at the end of the day when the ground has now been churned up. The routes are more like mud baths than tracks, being so deep that the ponies had to work twice as hard. Where was the common sense in that? More like "Who cares about the Novices or their ponies" Then to add more insult teh novices were put on foirst thing the next day. Oh Great give teh novices a gruelling time int eh marathon then have tired horses compete first thing the next day. Novices treat with respect.. I DON'T THINK SO This is just 3 examples in one year, I'd be here all day if I mentioned them all. It is the novices that keep this sport going, after all without newcomers how does the sport grow... basically it doesn't. What happened to the more experinced helping the novices? I never got any help. yet when I first joined the MDTG another experienced competitor walked the course with me and helped a great deal. So friendly and inviting...not like at the nationals. I can have just as much fun with club events for half the price to compete.. Guess where I'm going this year and possibky next year.... Just my views... Cheers for listening to my rant, Dawn | ||
| Guest |
The Novices are often being messed about, look at the farce at the Championships last September! how the hell can someone win the National Novice class when they should have been eliminated after the dressage! But hey ho the rule book didnt apply, would the open or team drivers have stood for this? actually would they have been asked to? With regard to the Novices and Intermediates not being as fast as the opens, i disagree, if you look at the times some of the novices are faster than some of the open drivers! and quite frankly i dont see what this has to do with anything, its not about that is it? the novices and intermediates need to be encouraged not pushed aside and ignored until the BHDTA want them to open their cheque books!! | ||
| Martyn Willis |
Having just had a look around the web site it appears the web master has been busy and has added a Novice points league. With regard to the results of the Novice Qualifiers there are two results posted here and one yet to be published even on that clubs own site. Please bear in mind club web sites are invarably managed by volunteers in their own time. It takes a great deal of effort to maintain a site to a high standard which most achieve. I have to agree that not having NQ's at Nationals is a retrograde step in developing the novice to get them ready for competing at the Championships. To the National Organisers who are running club classes alongside the Nationals thank you on behalf of the drivers who want to try a National course. With reference to NQ's being messed about in 4 years of competing in NQ's at both Nationals and Clubs we can recall just two occurances both at Nationals of feeling hard done by these included; Marathon and Cones on the same day the other being put with the club class with marathon on the Sunday not as the Nationl competitors (having paid a National qualifier price not club entry). Novices and Intermediate drivers on the whole are not as fast and as exciting as the opens! | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
I got to disagree with you Mike, I found that the Novices were treated like they are worthless, totally disrepected, messed around totally in various ways yet the BHDTA want our money sure enough. I refuse to give them the entry fee to be treated in this way which is why I am not entering any Natioanls this year. When it costs in the region of £350 per event after fuel etc is taken into account I'd rather attend club events which are just as good and at times better and your made welcome. I wonder how the intermediates are being treated now that novices are not allowed at the nationals. | ||
| Guest |
looks like the Novices and intermediates are still treated as second class citizens!! wake up BHDTA, we are all members of the same club so stop behaving like we dont exist!! there are some stars of the future out there, trying desperatly to get on, so come on give us a helping hand, after all its what we pay our memebership for!! | ||
| Mike Watts |
I think it may simply be that the results haven't made their way through from the event to the web site - there is a space on the website waiting for the results.... I'm looking for an authoritative answer. Also I'm sure that the class structure changes were intended to give a better, progressive path into the sport, good competition at all levels and no disrespect intended to anyone. | ||
| Dawn Emmerson |
Still treating the Novices with the same amount of disrespect I see, then the BHDTA wonder why there are a lack of entries. Could the EACDG get the info on their site for us. I also did not realise the NQ points league had been stopped. Ho Hum!!! | ||
| Guest |
I find it a great shame that the BHDTA took the decision to not have the NQ at their events, and not only that they have taking the decision to not even acknowledge the results of the NQ events on their website, and to stop the points league etc etc, but I bet they will acknowledge the NQ when they want them to enter Windsor at the Championships!!! Some of the clubs don't seem to update their websites very often so finding out how Novice people have got on at the qualifying events is proving rather difficult. The BHDTA may not want to acknowledge the novices but some of us would like to know how they are getting on. Pehaps someone could answer the question as to why the BHDTA have taken the decision not to publish these results. Novices could become the next advanced drivers representing the country so why not treat them with a bit of respect and acknowledge them at the NQ events they do!! |