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Martyn Willis
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Username: Martynw

Post Number: 8
Registered: 02-2007
Posted on Friday, 20 May, 2011 - 10:34 am:   

Patti and all

I understand a response will be sent direct but in an effort to clarify.

Please see response from Philip Bateman of the rules committee.

Martyn


FEI Position:-
A Pessoa is not allowed: as if mis-used it is against the Welfare of the Horse. It is a gadget that produces hyperflextion which is not allowed.

I agree that in skilled hands a Pessoa is an aid to training, but I do mean skilled, and too often there is a lack of knowledge with these things, so there is a universal ban.

Yes, side reins are allowed when lunging because they do not pull the horses head down into an un-natural position. Obviously if they were too toght the lunger would be asked to loosen them.
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Joe Hodgson
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 07-2010
Posted on Wednesday, 18 May, 2011 - 8:41 pm:   

I will be interested to see what they have to say.
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Patti Atkinson
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Username: Pattia

Post Number: 8
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 18 May, 2011 - 6:49 pm:   

I have sent my original post to all members of the rules committee and am awaiting their response.
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Janet Pilling
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Username: Janetp

Post Number: 13
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Wednesday, 18 May, 2011 - 12:33 pm:   

Side reins are permissable as far as I know - I was told by a judge that this was the ONLY lunging aid that is allowed. It is debatable however as even side reins can be used badly and have a very restrictive effect on a horse. Given the number of people currently using them at events I think this rule needs clarifying. Can anyone help?
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Joe Hodgson
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 07-2010
Posted on Tuesday, 10 May, 2011 - 10:28 pm:   

I had this at Allerton last year. I was faced by the TD who drove over and asked me to remove my Passoa as no training aids are allowed to be used at events only at home. I have also not found and rule in any rule book apart from the 919.6. Leverage Devices.
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Patti Atkinson
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Username: Pattia

Post Number: 7
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Tuesday, 10 May, 2011 - 8:47 pm:   

Thanks Mike, but a Pessoa would never be used when in harness - it is purely a lunging aid.

Interesting rule though - I debated using a second rein on a lower slot in a case where a horse was very strong to give more control (or at least to get its attention!) a bit like a pelham.
Looks like that would be a no no.
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Mike Watts
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Username: Mikew

Post Number: 37
Registered: 01-2007
Posted on Tuesday, 10 May, 2011 - 7:01 pm:   

Patti, I believe this rule:

"919.4 Auxiliary Reins
Auxiliary Reins (including any type of check reins) are not permitted when in harness."

may be being interpreted to include a Pessoa - and other training aids which involve any extra connection to the reins/bit, and is being applied "at any ... time" at the driving event location - where any time may mean from the official opening of the stable field, though it's not clear.

I'm sorry if this isn't very clear - perhaps someone else can find something clearer written down?
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Patti Atkinson
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Username: Pattia

Post Number: 6
Registered: 03-2007
Posted on Tuesday, 10 May, 2011 - 12:59 pm:   

During a chat at Ashfields I was told that it is not permitted to use a Pessoa at an event.

The only rule I can find that might pertain to this is the following copied from the FEI rule book.
919.6. Leverage Devices
All rings, terrets and/ or other devices which have an extreme leverage effect on the reins or bits are forbidden at any time within the Driving Event Location.

A Pessoa MAY have an extreme leverage effect but surely this is only if it is badly used.
The Pessoa is designed to reward the horse when it actively seeks a soft contact. It enables the horse to find its own balance and encourages a softer, rounder outline.

Presumably if a Pessoa is not allowed then any other aids to lunging are not permitted either, for examples side reins, De Gogue, Harbridge etc.

If this is the case it potentialy causes a severe disadvantage to those of us who cannot ride our horses at events.

Can anyone clarify what the actual rule is?

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